Liverpool council leaked emails (a long tradition continues)

By David Bartlett on Oct 25, 11 10:22 AM in Liverpool City Council

Liverpool council would not be Liverpool council without leaked email arguments.

Readers will remember former council leader Warren Bradley often fired off emails, that were later leaked.

I was on holiday last week and came back to work today to find two such email 'discussions'.

The first between council leader Joe Anderson and deputy Liberal Democrat leader Richard Kemp, following a story about the Lib Dem fightback.

The second between Liberal Democrat councillor Eddie Clein and Labour councillor Roy Gladden about Hillsborough.

Here they are:

From: Richard Kemp
Sent: 21 October 2011 15:33
To: All Liverpool councillors
Subject: Kemp & Keaveney

Dear Cllr Anderson,

There was a time not too long ago when Council Leaders occupied their position and carried out their duties with integrity, with intellect and with dignity. Your all councillor circular as below shows that you are unable to act in any of these three ways.

Not unnaturally we have a different viewpoint to you and we choose to put those view points on paper. We have done what the Labour Party has proved to be incapable of which is setting out a vision for the city and then asking people to contribute to it.

By contrast you will be proposing at the next Council a so called strategy which has all the content of an A level paper in regeneration.

It really is time that you grew up and acted as a council leader should because your behaviour is currently not just putting off councillors from working with you but potential partners. At the end of the day we don't matter and we can oppose you but we both know that many potential partners are quietly pulling away from involvement with the council because of the way that you behave. We both know that the Council is failing to attract high quality applications for senior staff positions within the Council.

It really is time you grew up.

Yours sincerely,
Cllr Richard Kemp CBE,
Deputy Leader, Liverpool Liberal Democrats

From: Joe Anderson
Sent: 21 October 2011 14:28
To: All Liverpool councillors
Subject: Kemp & Keaveney

Dear All

This week we have seen some ridiculous claims being made by that funny double act Kemp & Keaveney.

I know they gave people a laugh especially the one about listening to people and the green agenda.

But the best was yet to come as Cllr Keaveney called the people of the City whingers and Cllr Kemp said we

Shouldn't call the cuts, cuts and that we need to think outside of the box.

The cuts should be called devastating and savage, that's my response to him and as for Cllr Keaveney the

City is right to complain about the way it has been treated and you should be listening to it, because the

Electorate spoke loud and clear last May as they will do this May.

The fact is that both have you have become a laughing stock and quite frankly are seen as political cowards

For sniping on the side lines instead of having the courage to join the Budget working Group. Keep up the

Quotes in the press they are good for our leaflets.

Best wishes

Cllr Joe Anderson


And here are the emails between Roy Gladden and Eddie Clein:

From: Gladden, Roy
Sent: Wednesday, October 19, 2011 05:12 PM
To: All Liverpool councillors
Subject: RE: FW: Hillsborough petition

Councillor Clein,

I have over my many years in politics come across many petty minded individuals but your childish outburst really takes the cake. Since Hillsborough hundreds of thousands of people from around the world have done whatever they were able to fight for justice for the 96.

Kenny Dalglish and many of the Liverpool Team and staff attended fans funerals in the hope that their attendance would alleviate just some of the grief that the families and friends were feeling. Social workers including myself worked with many of the families who were grieving for the loss of family and friends, which we now know left them traumatised. Councillors and M.P.'s from around the country have also supported the Hillsborough families in their quest for 'JUSTICE'. Football fans from around the country, none more so than fans from Everton, have shown their solidarity with those who tragically lost family members at Hillsborough.

These are just a few who have over the years campaigned for Justice for the 96 without any thought of other than to right a wrong. I watched the debate and I was proud of all those who spoke for the victims and non more so than Steve Rotheram and the other M.P.'s who vocalised our grief and sense of injustice. The decision that evening was due to the courage of the victims families who over the years have refused to accept the decisions taken over the years since the crime perpetrated upon their loved ones in 1989, and every true supporter cried tears of relief when this historical vote was taken.

You try to justify your stance by naming Jack Spriggs, Peter Millea and Alan Dean, I am sure that Alan and Peter and Jack if he could, will distance themselves from your disgraceful rant. To try politicise this mind blowing event and to complain about your lack of inclusion, I believe says more about you than any words that I could write.

Councillor Roy Gladden

County Ward



--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

From: Clein, Eddie
Sent: 19 October 2011 11:53
To: All Liverpool councillors
Subject: RE: FW: Hillsborough petition

It is interesting to read the petty hysteria that is being whipped up by certain individuals about the turn round in the hillsborough saga.

I am sorry if a few facts dilute the political hysteria.

I have been involved in the aftermath of hillsborough since day 1,as has Alan dean,peter milleaand the late jack spriggs.We worked on the working group for 15 years with ALL the relatives of the deceased so much so that we got to know them all personally.Rotherham and Burnham had not even been heard of then. We brought officials ,MP's ,ministers etc down here seeking justice for the 95.

We had promise after promise from labour ministers but that is as far as it ever went. I remember briefing Paddy Ashdown w... ehen he was Liberal leader before he addressed the hillsborough survivors.

We had a coffee afterwards and Paddy was in bits,and that from a soldier,as he told me that was the most difficult and emotional thing he had ever done.He said he would force open the door of number 10 to get some sense. I know he tried but quite frankly westminister did not want to know. Too many top politicans protecting the interests of murdock and the Sun.

Labour did have 13 years to sort out this mess and do what the coalition have done now.

What changed?

Up to two years ago it seemed as though the Jones enquiry was the best that all of us who had worked for 20 years looking for justice would get. You can have the crumbs but you cannot have the cake.

Then something happened that could only happen for the people, by the people--------in Liverpool.

Andy Burnham came to speak at the anniversary at anfield while steve rotherham was lord mayor. That is the day a whole new chapter opened up.

The crowd humiliated and shouted down burnham for 15 mins.and he was totally shocked. They called the labour government everything under the sun. Even Steve was shaken.

Eventually Burnham said he had got the message loud and clear "justice for the 95"

From then on it seems burnham did what he could although he did not really push open the door until this government came into power.

I do not decry what Andy and Steve did in parliament on monday. They were brilliant as were others .Emotive subjects do bring out the best in certain people.

All I ask is the acknowledgement that this struggle started over 20 years ago,fully supported by every liverpool city council,some more involved than others,and it would be a discredit and in insult to all that work and effort

by so many to be overlooked and consigned to the scrapbook of history because one or two individuals who arrived on the scene very late in the day managed to grab the headlines.

My old and dear friend Spriggsy would loved to have seen this day

Eddie Clein

Hillsborough Working Group

14 Comments

EM said:

I write more in sorrow than in anger at what this reveals about the quality of the people elected to represent the city of Liverpool. Most of them appear to be half-wits who cant string a sentence together. Their grasp of English would leave the average fifth-former gasping.
Ego-maniacs lacking judgement, education and common sense. God help us.

Just looking said:

I thought Cllr Gladden's response was incredibly well put here.

Nathan James said:

If a councillor wishes to make a viewpoint known in the media then they will do so. But the use of leaking e-mails (which are meant to be private) to try and discredit councillors is a disgraceful practice. How can any partner trust the council if they know that their e-mails could be leaked when they disagree with the council.

Lady Penelope said:

I agree with EM. Did anyone see that post from Steph Till (Vicky Pollard) on here not so long ago? It was littered with spelling mistakes and appalling grammar. I am mightily embarrassed that she was elected to represent Labour Party.

mike said:

Leaking of Emails gladden was my steward for many years and he did nothing there only sell us down the river, no doubt he will do the same to the peole of County.

As for emails he never answered them.

Gladdens a lazy expensive pair.

olderndwise said:

I can only applaud the leaking of Emails. While it is one thing to read the carefully prepared press releases, it is much better to see how our politicians think.
I am guessing that all 4 thought their Emails were good when they wrote them and some may still think they are good although wish they were not so public.
Cllr Clein’s came across as quite hearfelt whereas Cllr Gladden seemed to be just having a go without saying anything.
Sadly Cllr Kemp appears to have reached his sell by date but none of these are leader of the City Council – Councilor Anderson is.
We have already had the ‘dont talk to the press’ and the ‘who leaked’ and, in the case of LDL, the biggest u-turn in the history of the planet and now we have the leader of the labour council in Liverpool, apparently ‘playing it for laughs’.
Back in the days of militant you knew who the ruling councillors were and which of them had lost the plot, which were playing it for laughs and which of them appeared to believe in what they were doing.
Nowadays everyone in the city knows who Cllr Anderson is but you would be highly unlikely to find anyone in the city, outside politics, who could name more than 4 labour councillors.
I suppose the question now is whether Cllr Anderson is really the best on offer. I believe last time the leader election came up he was elected unanimously so maybe he is which makes you think a bit about the others.

Hiltons former Hotel said:

I was very interested in comments made by Richard Kemp CBE.

"We both know that the Council is failing to attract high quality applications for senior staff positions within the Council."

Well Kemp will now all about the recruitment of the small army of senior managers taken on by the Lib-Dems. Most of which were not needed and appeared first in the queue when voluntary severance was being offered. Other more "junior" staff are set to miss out on a decent package because Kemp's army have already had their noses in the trough.

dave said:

why do I think that Joe bloke has sent out another email this time telling his people to get a comment in and dont tell nobody I told you to.

Looks like he has got at least 3 mates.

that bit about
'Electorate spoke loud and clear last May as they will do this May'

I reckon we will be shouting something different this May but we will be shouting it down the pub instead of bothering to go to one of them polling stations.

I reckon we could do with getting a proper labour council in.


dh said:

There was an article here a bit back about why we need an opposition party.
I think I understand it now.

Joe Anderson's self assurance that he will have even more power come next May is not good for Liverpool.
If one is not dependent upon electoral approval then one has free reign to do whatever one wants without fear of censure.

It possibly explains how he can double his own council earnings to a thousand a week when no other employee of the council has seen any sort of pay rise for 3 years and with people struggling to pay their council tax as hard times roll in.

But most of all it explains the whole David McElhinney and LDL business which nobody could believe and is coming across as 'I will do it because I can and why I am doing it is my business'

Dont know how much truth there is in Cllr Kemp's statement that business's are backing away quietly from Liverpool and that top quality people dont want to come here but if any of this is true it would be tragic for the city.

katie54 said:

I agree entirely with dh, and would add that in the last local election, people were not so much voting for Labour as voting against the Lib Dems - a protest vote. In the absence of a viable alternative, they'll do that again, but it is hardly an active endorsement of the way the Council is being run.

John ashton said:

Shame on all of you

Helen said:

Squabble squabble... boy's playground behaviour. It doesn't matter which party- Kemp and Anderson you are exhibiting the same bad behaviours, mistaking 'having the last word' as mattering. As if. This is NOT leadership boys. As the Leader, Joe, you should not rise to Kemp. He knows how to get you to respond the way he wants you to- and you fall for it again. Be strong, be sensible, be powerful- and ignore. And NEVER rise to taunts by responding via email.

an elector is not just for polling day said:

What if ?
What if what a person said in public was what they also said in private.
What if what a person wrote in an Email was what they also said in public.
What if all words that were spoken were what was believed in.
What if the elector was not seen as the means of getting you to where you want to be and instead as the person you want to help.
What if the way you want to be viewed is the way to strive to be.
What if you could say I will write what I believe and it is open for all to see and not I must stop writing Emails.
What if the elector were to go to the ballot box and think I must go because this one is true.
What if ?

Davee said:

Liked Helen's comment to her Joe.
Starts off as a neutral using 'Kemp' and 'Anderson' and then blames that bad man Kemp when 'Anderson' changes to 'Joe the leader' which kind of gives it away.
Wonder if she is writing here cos they are not supposed to be doing Emails

Leave a comment


Type the characters you see in the picture above.

This is to help prevent spamming and confirm you are a human

 

Dale Street Associates

David Bartlett

David Bartlett

City editor of the Post and Echo covering politics, regeneration, and urban affairs.
Read My Posts »

Follow us on Twitter

SPONSORED LINKS