Please Shut Up
We all have our pet hates and I'm no exception. I go to a fair few live contemporary music events, not just in Liverpool.
Live music is something I've enjoyed for over 40 years but unfortunately there is a dark cloud on the horizon.
In the past four years or so, I find more and more people, especially, but not exclusively at standing gigs, spend their time chattering away, often at high volume, more or less oblivious to what is happening on stage. They still applaud enthusiastically at the end of every song of course as though enthralled by the quality of the performance, even though they've paid hardly any attention.
This phenomenon is not confined to Liverpool but, in my experience, seems to be worse here than, for example, Manchester or Sheffield, although judging by comments on the internet, it is a regular problem in the USA as well. It's getting to the stage where I am now increasingly reluctant to go to certain venues in the city and on past occasions, have had to leave early because the extraneous noise was just way too annoying.
Why spend sizable amounts of money ostensibly to see someone perform, pretty much ignore them and spoil the experience for others? It would be cheaper and more appropriate (and much less frustrating to those like me who just want to hear the music) for these people to just go to the pub or a bar.
In the past few years I have seen things like loud blues/ rock band, Nine Below Zero stopping playing to ask the stentorian quintet making continuous noise at the bar to pipe down; a pair of chatterboxes behind me at an Echo Arena Crosby, Stills and Nash concert who conversed non-stop throughout the gig, having paid £50 per ticket; a Tourettes whistler who insisted on sounding off regularly at a Roger Hodgson gig, usually during the quietest passages of music; a Terry Reid fan who frequently drowned out Terry Reid's performance for everyone within 20 feet, telling anyone who would listen how wonderful he thinks Terry Reid is, (Terry Reid asked him to shut up eventually); and a Toots and the Maytals gig made intolerable by chatter volume comparable to Anfield football ground when Liverpool are attacking the Kop goal.
I have tried very politely asking adjacent perpetrators to reduce their noise level. The response is often an aggressive stance and / or glare, followed by an increase in volume.
I have tried to understand why this happens. I am a liberal after all and believe firmly in live and let live as a guiding prinnciple. Maybe it's me and I'm just turning into a stereotypical Grumpy Old Man. I have no problem with people talking briefly between songs - I sometimes do that myself - or making the occasional sotto voce comment during a song. I am talking here about full blown, multiple participant high volume exchanges.
Perhaps the advent of social media has made opportunities for friends to meet up and converse with each other face to face less frequent. Maybe over consumption of booze in an era of binge drinking is making people much more uninhibitedly garrulous. It may just be another sign that good manners are a thing of the past in this country. Perhaps, for some, attendance at certain gigs has little to do with listening to the music at all but is done solely to be able to try to accrue social cachet on Twitter or Facebook by saying "I was there" (hence the increasing incidence of taking repeated pictures of the band with the latest smartphone.)
I am reluctant to suggest this but perhaps appropriate signage and / or proactive stewarding to limit this could somehow be made part of the licensing conditions for live performance venues.
All I know is it ain't right, I am getting sick to death of it and I don't have a ready solution other than staying at home.


So it's not just me then.
Yes, I've noticed the problem getting worse in recent years. I went to a gig at Eric's last November. The place was heaving by the time the main act (a local band) came on. Throughout the whole set there was a group of girls who moved to the front to support the band - they stood in front of the huge wall of speakers at one side of the stage and proceeded to shout at each other so they could hear each other over the sound from the band. Like you, I don't see the point in paying money to get into a gig to support a band, and to spend the whole time not only not listening to the music but also creating such a din that it's distracting for those who do want to listen.
The solution, however, isn't to stay home. You should check out the fantastic music that goes on in Merseyside at venues where the music and musicians are respected. This is a tradition in the folk music world, but there are other events such as Grateful Fred's in Formby which class themselves as a 'listening venue'. The same is true for the Liverpool Acoustic live music events that I run with Stuart Todd at the View Two Gallery on Mathew Street - talking during the music is actively discouraged, and the musicians and audience members appreciate the event all the more for it. Click the link to find out more - it would be good to see you there.
Graham
Great article.
I wonder how many of those people talking loudly at the smaller gigs happen to be in other bands playing earlier/later on the same night or at the same venue at another time. When a paying public are a bit rowdy it's frustrating, but when you see other musicians who claim to be passionate about live music just talking over the music or fannying about in a corner at a venue, it's pretty shameful - especially when they expect a bit more decorum when the limelight is on them. Maybe if the musical fraternity led by example, it'd be a good start.
And I wholeheartedly recommend the Liverpool Acoustic nights mentioned in the previous comment - once you exit the building onto the rowdy Mathew St below, you'll realise how much of an oasis the View Two Gallery is for live music.
L
Alternatively if you are one of the old and grumpy's who head off down the pub for a quiet chat with people you know and you find that your local hostelry has decided to treat you to a free live music act or, even better, a karaoke and find yourself unable to have a conversation because of music then you start to plan the fight back. If they can throw this music into our pub and spoil it then let us take the fight to the music listeners in their heartlands.
I seem to think 'alternatively's' comment is both immature and missing the point of the article completely.
I consider myself a 'music listener' and have been going to concerts for over 35 years and I too have found
this incessant chatting becoming unbearable.
It seems, where once, a concert was a chance to enjoy music played live that you had on cd ( or Lp ) it has
now , for some,become a social gathering with music in the background !
It also seems to be across most venues and age groups . A number of groups of younger 'fans' talking almost
all the way through the Emeli Sande gig at the Academy ( some not even facing the stage ) , and a similar scenario
by more mature 'fans' at the Jack Savoretti gig at the Shipping Forecast to mention a few.
So 'Alternatively' , a number of points you should know.
1. It is not us ( Music Listeners ) who ' throw music into pubs ' . If you have a problem with this i suggest you
have a word with your Landlord.
2. You have a choice . If you don't like the live music / karaoke , try and find an alternative hostelry that is to
your liking.
3. Have some respect / manners toward those of us who pay up to £55.00 a ticket in order to enjoy live music
and don't ' take the fight to the music listeners in their heartland ' because there is no ' fight ' just a request for
some common decency in allowing us to enjoy what we have paid for.
So well done Mr Clein for highlighting this problem . I couldn't agree more !
I agree, I have been going to quite a few concerts recently, and I have noticed that even though the concerts are in arenas where the music is very loud, you still have people around you talking! It is unfair for real fans who have paid alot of money, as arena concerts aren't cheap, to see the act, and yet you hear more of the crowd than the music on occasions.I personally find these people selfish, and I sympathise that they have nothing better to do than pay £30-£40 to go to a concert, just to talk all of the way through it. I noticed particularly at Radio City Live, Katy Perry and Olly Murs. They are just a few of them.I completely agree with Paul Clein, and I am grateful that someone has highlited the problem.